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Case Taken to Swarm.
.‘io incensed were the Seymour-s in
l-triilng that not only had their tele»
prone wires been tapped, but that a
oictapbone had been installed inthelr
elite. that they brought the mutter to
tire attention of District Attorney
Mann. Frederick Seymour, o mem-
h -r of the ilrm, called upon Mr. Swarm
_‘ 'slt‘i‘dl) and the latter told him he
v i~ read) to take tip the cute as soon
. a complaint was made that the low
cut been violated.
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Mr. Seymour told Mr. Swann that
he owners of the Equitable building
were having a private investigation
willie, and that its soon as it was In-
. lied he would lay tire whole matter
before the llistrict Attorney. Previ-
lttlol)‘ he had told the 'l‘llolripson com-
mittee that he suspec rd certain per
Nth. but “its not r '
liffilllle charges.
Mr. Snayze bad just finished telling
i re Thompson committee of the motil-
ol~ imployed by the telephone cout-
.»iii} and Police Department in tap-
p n; telephone Wll‘t‘e‘ and that nothing
it the kind was ever done except
v here there was suspicion of a crime
v hvrl rb‘ariii Moss. chiaof counsel to
he (Oilliilillt‘t‘ .asked him about the
l‘“) ltltltll' case.
only to make any
t Lil in: had received the name written
ll'lltl liom Commissioner Wood! no he
i ill in the other titties and relied upon
i'it' l‘oiice tfoiluiiissiouer‘s O. R, that
lllt- taw was it criminal one.
John S. Seymour then wont on the
ivaud and declared that there can"
have been no possible rem for Blip-
pisiirg that a crime was being com-
mitted or planned in his office. and
M .t the only Pmom‘ interested in'
l"ltiil,: the wires tapped were one or
i to large. commercial corporations.
l't- mid he could scarcely believe that
its wires had been tapped or that d
(liltildplltlllt’ liitd been installed. lid
;.. t t (l:
“i saw in the newspapers that our
wires had been tapped and then a die-
l.rphone had been installed in our of-
fiie. Two men from the O'F‘arreil De-
tv~<~tive Agency crime to our office four
or five weeks slit) and said the wires
had been tapped by the Burns Detec-
live Agency. which had also installed
it dictaphone.
.Searched Their Offices.
"We refused to helieuve them, soI
they/made a search for three hours
but could find notrace or any bop or
at any dictaphone. They odd the
Burns Agency men had gone “to our
«mt-e at night—night attor- night—and
examined our papers. We could Ind
no trace of thatu .either. “on tho
O'Farreil agents went to the [Mamet
Attorney‘and reported the cue tohlm.
lit r. Swarm sent for Burns and it w'u
did not believe it."
.‘n’ild that Burns admitted it. Still we ”cltl‘“W"fly° 49“ W?" he‘
Vina there anything in the aaturei- ‘ '
of a criminal investigation going on“ " '
war office?" asked Mr. Mon,
(”W‘L‘Wfi'tlwf'. (melt-M. -
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lap-ha had a ”social lateroot iii the
parties who Were ilot our clients, but
who were dealing with our clients."
"liid ()‘l‘arreli say who employed
Burns?" ,
“No. but that's whnt
know."
“it's a fact. then, that there was a
tap put on your wire by the Police
Department 2"
"Well. that‘s new; to tire."
"Tile fact is," went on Mr. Moss.
"that the tap was put on your wireas
hy the police. l'iu telling you it was.
I have been the order signed by the
Police Commissioner. The only thing
we are interested in is whether the
police order to tap your wire concern-
ed a crlnrinal matter."
Two inter-cote Concerned.
“Why. of ooursao it didn't," said Mr.
l-‘eymotir. “The circumstances show
that none but two interests would
lie linii promised to prosecute if wel
make a complaint. We have asked
the manager of the building to invert-t
anyone to tap our wires. They are
making rtn investigation and we have
employed countiel."
Mr. Seymour said. in answer to oth-I
er qucstlons, that he had practiced
law for thirtyeiuht years. that he was]
it Yale graduate of the class of '15.:
that lie had been a Senator in Con-I
uectictrt. and it United States Commie-I
winner of aPtentit under Presidentireparabie damage to the company.
The witness l'epHMICIvaal‘ld. arid .tllnt he had practicedI “An arrangement was made with
law both in New York and (‘onneoti‘I
cut. As he left the stand he remark,
ed: _ ‘ '
"l'tl attend the rest Of my life in try-
ing to iliid out, who caused the arm to
come under suspicion."
hir. Sityntour. was followed by his
brother Frederick. who corroborated
his testimony. lie said his sole pur-
pose wits to find out who wanted his
iirm's telephone wires tapped.
"l have some evidence, but no coir
tclustve proof." he said.
"Have you~secn the Police Commis-
sioner?" asked Mr. Moon ‘The wit-
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the whole subject. which he oubmittodI Q-wWhat about cases where through
to Senator Thompson. and this be tol- 'over-zeal or political influence or other
nevi we have itaeto tbepoiotwboro
' ‘ rr'mTlOUT ”1'6“” ‘7 7 W
The following were tuned lay it,
“'9 WIN W'iulnisily it was done in a loose vt
lowed in his teatinouy. He said:
“The practice of wiretapping or llil-
tenina-in goes back as far as 1395 Or-
on
verbal request. and no record 'as
made of it. Then in 1895 a lat was
passed. known or Section 552 of the
The company, as far so i have been
able to learn. interpreted the law to
mean that it wu its duty to aid and
assist the public olclals to apprehend-
ing and detecting crime. but it has
Iiiot been interpreted in any court."
Ir. Bwayae then read the opinion
Penal Code. to restrict the practiceI
reasons the police may say they sus-
pect. although they have no grounds?
'A “The company cannot set itself up
Ior use its discretion in these cues
Iexcept when we feel an inquiry is call~
'ed for. because of a prominent name
or location.
Q. Suppose the individual wait a
respectable woman not socially promi-
nent .iind her home is put under sur-
veillnncr by the police, do you ever
look into the cane? A.-—-We do not.
How to draw the line as to the people
vu should inquire about is a hard mat-
ter. Fortunately we have never been
i
u are noiog into the m on "'0 ills: mt {or-hind train the olco of
list d 350 "CW“ '0' 'MN’I‘EI A. ll. Wooster. Solidtor of Patents,
if we go into those names serious m (1...;
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dam-u might be done to some on Ellsworth A. Hawthorne. WI
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firm who were not suspected of any port, m.
crime and it would not serve the pur- My 3. Lynne, Bridgeport, I lat-l
pose of this committee." onto. Imli‘hl, Mort-circa“
Only criminal can“. inner one lor animus. I
Senator Thompson said the names! WI“! Och-older. “WW” I”"I'i
on the lot would be um up in .x. g; mucus duk- Inon lib he
ecutive oesaioa and not in public. lr.‘ '
More oaid he only mentioned the a... m coon-on, Hartford, mono
iuriu pull.
of Seymour & Seymour to ilnd out I
”litlflk an” a.“ l”.
ehether or not any olort wound. to. P' ' ’ .
differentiate between criminal and;
m rcial matters The wi saidl luau. G. Rel-ill. Hutiord. m.
WW... I
called upon to do so.
Qs-»Supposc it were I luv Inn a
respectable ilrni that has never boon
of Justice Mullah. of the Bronx. for-
mer law partner of Mayor Mitchel.
rendered last April, in which he held
that the telephone company should‘
be upheld in refusing to restore oer-IV ll didn't 000‘" 'fl')’ "Wt-ll. or
have desired to put a dictaphone lnI
our oflcevtwo commercial lnterestsI
The llLs-trict Attorney says a dicta-I
phone was on in and the wires tapped”
ligate and find out it' it Is pastime torIed had demanded restitution of W-
I “The practice of tapping wires went'
peas said he had not and added that
nothing of a criminal nature was hep.
Walls "1 his (later which would lultl~Ithc police come to the complny late
vice ,0 a flu, atore which the pouceIlim arm was not prominent1 we would
had reason to believe. i‘roin ltstcninirJ‘“t ""3 “‘9 0“-
in on the wire. was 5915‘ used “I Mr. Moss wanted to know if be
two gamblers for bookmarking. Tho' would risk questions if such a lawyer
court held that there was no invasion M I)" ”in“! M00"- 9' Xi'- NM NB!-
ur any ono'o liberties. m, syuuieeif, was concerned, and the witness
said there were litany cauu whore‘t‘sid he would, adding:
pen-one whose tolephonos were aloot- ‘Of MM is an-inoocuroto meth-
od and it in not in proper shape yet.
The first lit we took woo tom the
authority of (‘innniiilsioner Wooda. We
have watched the police. and we do
not believe they have need it exces-
alveiy or run riot with it. There are
850,000 subscribers, and there have
been only 350 taps within the last
year and a half. You must also con-
older thl fact that there are «0,000
public telephones and only twenty-live
taps are new on. »
"We recognized before the tapping
trouble broke out on certain wires re-
cently that some wins should not
have been hipped without an inquiry
being made. Then the matter wait
vice.
Check on the Practice.
on." Mr. Swayac said. “and two years
ago i decided that there ought to be
some check to prevent its use becom-
ing wild. If the police or tiny other
olficers should use the privilege for.
their private purposes it Would do ir-
(‘ommissioner Woods that we should
have a letter in each case in the fu-
ture where our cooperation was
sought in enforcing the criminal law.
Usually the request is made by an
“CUBS Detective sets"!!! on 8 life-I brought to me and i decided to workI
scribed form. indorited by t‘onilnlssion.:om g scheme." 5
01’ Woodfi- or in the We of Na ab, “Why did you think an inquiry was?
eence by some one acting in his Mead-I necessary ln this particular case?",
This request reads: Inked Mr. Moss. "
"‘i. have reason to believe that the‘ ,- Mother Tapping Order. I
following telephone is being used tor uni-«u: the men affected was a?
criminal purposes. and respectfully-re person who occupied a professionnlI
quest the cooperation of your com position which in or of itself shouldI
pony in detecting this matter! " have made it necessary tor us to make'
The witness said that the only ex- an inquiry," I
captionto this practice occurs when “You think this was a case which.
should not have been interfered withT'I
before the Bar Association? A.~—Woii,'
Imoot weekly from people who want
laid to “the Police Dopartmont and 0!
hi: company made it In lnvarioble
rule that only is criminal cons-loud
tilt request be granted.
“You rely upon the O. K. of the Po-
lice Commissioner?"
“We do. We have applications ol-
lntorniatlon for private. commercial.
political. or other purpoeel: but i
don’t beliecv that that rule has ever
boon broken. From the time we made
tho arrangement with Commie-imr
Woods I feel that there bu never
been an attempt—«certainly not until
“Mb latest unpleasantncu-lo abuse
the privilege of getting the inform
tron desired. There has been a great
deal of talk about detective enemies
getting in on the wires. They cannot.
lt‘ls aboolotoly untrue. except when
a man has a large. internal telephone
system of his own and wants to check
up somebody in that system."
Q. —-(‘ith a subscriber know that hilt
wire is tapped A.—No. not without go-
in: over the wire. The tap does not
impair the service.
Q.——-You showed to the chairman a
list of wires that have been tapped
during the past two years. Does that
show them all A.-By the PoliceOom-
missioncr, yes.
"The: New York Telephone Com-
pany never derived any bonodt In»
clal or otherwise. from tapping wires.
it is it serious disturbance; anda mat-
ter that we would like to bejdlovodl - ,
of. We shall be glad to iooperato mm are nine to one that so. in
framing ii law which will stop all es-
pionaae on wires. but the situation is
a seriouo one. The practice is amt
benefit to the general public in theop-
ry the tapping oi the wiru. _ Iin the afternoon in an emergency
“From.the inquiries you have made.‘ou’e,’but it is aliviiys followed with
does it indicate to you that the‘ mafia“; Conniasioner‘a mdorgoment u
tor was entirely" of a business or cont-I noon on pouible. Mr. Moss continued
"Lcannot say. We know nothing of
thorisult. except“ we learn tromthe
newspapers of captures that line been
‘ said the witness. '
.3},
mental nature?" asked Mr. Moss. ‘ I
"i know oi no other motive except!
'that of a business or commercial flu-lCommisdonor’s monument for every
ture which could have induced it,"
“it could have been done through.
web a motive?"
“Yrs." ~
Mr. Swayae was «the tint witness in
the wire tapping phase of the investi-
gation. He said he was instillin- with
the operation of listening in on tele-
phone wires; that it was termed“
“bridging over," “upping" ondd‘oon-
aorln§." '
alive m; page “motion that I
“Not_- the shadow of one," replied In!
Seymour, “but marinara large m
noes transactiona’mti'iiitiona '
,that a crime was committed? A.——No,‘
, toning“ on telephone when L—d
- m dmzmd oh Sheldon 55:. M‘ mint inquiry. and ironic:
. launch u-no court boa «am» “Why. i-I'ave- ho objection bo'aay.
the W .Poraonaiirl Mien that log it is that of rather William afar- ‘
made after listening-in, A letter comes-
to tilt tram the Police (301nmisoilllnol';I
we put on the top, 0“"qu it is' re-
moved we know nothing shout what
passes over the line. "We are Clint!!!1
notified that they no longer/wish toi
use the line and we remove the tap.
The pdice‘ hove told us that our as-
siotance has been 'most valuableathst
murderers have been captured and
convicted, thieves apprehended and.
automatic gangs of ‘robbdra ”found.
there is listening-in merely on auspi- But we_ know nothing of our own
clon? A.--That is almost oelfMdeht.‘lmowlodgo.. As for an d have ' been
especially where cases did'not ponoutl.u. to learn there have m In“.
the War we colo- umoomd. ‘mis brothers mallow. sorrow
Qe—Do you think that Section 552 til!!!” ; ~
gives sanction to tboorscctoe oi lie-I
the examination. . ..
Q.—~So you are able to furnish the
wire-tapping case during the past two
years? A.—i believe that is absolute-
ly correct. -
Q.——Hove‘you taken any means to
find out whether the police, had proot
sir.
Q.—-'.l‘hon in a great many cases
Ir. m‘u Mked the witnes'ti if he
would tell of the case which he . be-
have alwanrotroinod iron takinx- ”Mum-onthavohboon tapped
under the law it is oilf‘dtlty mum roll. if I had amok“ that’htlm‘i'ar- fl mm“ a _, no, -
pohce'lru-i-l-dm‘ ‘- * ' "matron—lobe Wei—“W" wknmxufifinonzm
a «in emoticon. : have mmmn' ~ in: compound and become thla in
The yam said so did not m- milieu Mouton" obouttho
pie Company for third tracking the
. “Mafia 1 err."—
l
in
-. ”you:
Iptohension of crime. and thereforotho
~ company does not feel Justified in re.
lfusing aid in the administration of jus-
Itloe."
The committee spent part of its
Matilda in delving thriller into
the contact awarded the T. A. Gilles—
Manhattan elevated linen. Frederick
Teach, of the dam of Terry A ranch”
which did about 80 per cent. of tho
otool work on the contract in conjunc
lion with the Gillespie Company, was
“0‘ about his share of the work.
The Gillespie Company’s bid for‘the
entire work was on -a plat of 15 oorI
cent. and the Terry & Tuck Irllp‘t
in a lild for '15 1-2. He denied that
there was any collusion in the bid-
dinc. All the work his firm did. he
said. was done in concoction witklho
Giacomo Company, '1'. A. omit-ole
also certified as to the profits his Inn
robot-triad. The committee. then nd- .
All the latest styles he’s showing.
loomed until this morninx.
o a, boon REPU'I'ATIQIN.‘
given ouch univogaai satisfaction and
of We. goldli
Nona"?
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John (incubator), Waterbury, tooth
brush holder. I‘
millet J. Barrett, WW, ecll~
hined mum. Md Old 0"
lain roll mart.
World I. m and C. It
knelt. Waterbury. 8 Fm; bottu
setting ”I. (l): MW! I"
chaniun (or button potting W.
Howard i. m. Btonlnstol. I M
lento: staticalootfloity mm to?
paper mar M
Claude 0. Inch. NM I pot-
enta: making voicaniaod robot; vol-I
culled rubber article.
lone ll. Palmer, Middleton, com-I
bined couch hammock and r mpy. I
Arthurn Blane. Norwich, .zrctionI
box for paper-machines and the like.;
August I. Filonton. Ethnic“. ban-
itary clean-ant hoee-nooalo. I
Louis C. Krummcl. Clinton, can dos-I
in; madlno. .
Joseph B. Whine-more, saybmok.‘
automatic slow-down mach-main lor'
traction motors.
Trade Marks.
rhdrew Radel Oyster 60.. South i
um and Bridgeport. Oysters,
clams and scallops. .
Kopf Bros. 00., New Haven, flesh
Fruit.
A 80%! THING.
"i ask you. sir. would you take your
daughter to see a play like that?"
Mud louver you, sir: No; the
already seen lt."—IAfe.
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Can mitt around When nume-
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necessary repairs or tnstfil a
new system of .
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demote.
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And the work is promptlyoono.
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